Prime Minister Narendra Modi has given an extensive interview on Lex Fridman's podcast, where he discusses a range of topics concerning India and global issues in detail, offering insights into his perspectives on Pakistan, China, and the United States.
It was inevitable that the conversation touched upon America, particularly mentioning Donald Trump, and Xi Jinping in the context of India-China relations. Modi shared experiences related to bilateral ties and personal interactions with leaders from both countries.
Modi did not hold back in praising Trump and specifically highlighted incidents from the American election campaign. Like Modi, Trump also shared his experience on social media regarding Lex Fridman's podcast.
Just as he did with America and China, Modi addressed questions concerning Pakistan, indicating a history of deception. The essence of the conversation was that Modi holds little hope for Pakistan, yet he remains optimistic about China, while showing notable trust in Trump.
How Long Will India-Pakistan Relations Stay This Way?
Prime Minister Modi believes that Pakistan remains unchanged. The current situation in Pakistan is chaotic and dire.
Reflecting on mending ties with Pakistan, Modi recalled his inauguration, when in 2014, he invited leaders from SAARC countries, including Pakistan. They attended, but nothing changed, with examples like Uri and Pulwama as evidence.
Previously, Modi has stated that non-state actors control Pakistan, prompting the question of who to negotiate with – should it be these non-state actors?
He outlined that wherever terrorist acts happen globally, signs invariably point to Pakistan, such as with the 9/11 attacks. Eventually, Osama bin Laden was found in Pakistan, where he sought refuge.
Overall, Modi is quite discouraged regarding relations with Pakistan but maintains a different viewpoint about other neighboring countries.
Signs of Improved India-China Relations
The relationship between India and China is often part of the country's political discourse. Modi frequently faces criticism over India's stance with China, especially from opposition leader Rahul Gandhi, who misses no chance to question it.
The optimism in Modi's remarks about China is palpable, stating that our relations will remain strong in the future. After my meeting with President Xi, we've seen a return to normalcy at the border. We're working towards restoring the pre-2020 conditions. Trust will take time, but we're committed to dialogue. The 21st century belongs to Asia, and India and China should naturally compete, not clash.
The Trump-Modi Friendship and International Diplomacy
The podcast includes a question to Modi about what he likes in Donald Trump as a friend and a leader.
Modi shares an incident, perhaps to convey what he means. At the Howdy Modi event in Houston, where both he and President Trump were present, the stadium was full. They both delivered speeches while Trump listened, which showcases his magnanimity as an American President listening among the crowd. After my speech, I casually suggested to Trump that we make a round around the stadium to thank the many people present there. It's unimaginable in American life for the President to walk amongst thousands, but Trump instantly joined me. This momentarily unsettled the security arrangements and touched my heart.
Modi described Trump as courageous, someone who makes his own decisions – sharing this incident to illustrate the extent of trust Trump has in Modi.
Modi remarked that this was a moment of mutual trust, illustrating the strong bond between them. Without consulting his security, Trump’s readiness to walk in the crowd was admirable.
Recalling the attack during the American election campaign, Modi said when Trump was fired upon, he saw the same brave and resolute Trump who walked alongside him in the stadium that day.
While it may seem America hasn’t matched its business activities with Russia compared to Trump's administration, such is the nature of international diplomacy.
